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peter vajda

you wrote: "The issue is this: Coaches are supposedly engaged to enable managers to grow and perform better as managers. If a coach executes the duties of a manager, that's managing."

Actuallly, IMH(coaching)O, that's enabling...always leading to some type of co-dependent, dysfunctional relationship. More later...

Mark Howell

I like the direction, Steve. Very Peter Block of you. Important ideas for all of us to ponder.

mark

Viji

Enjoyed this post as usual Steve. Practically speaking sometimes Managers are overloaded to manage their people. Most of their time is spent on issues related to work alone. Learning many things through your blog. Tks. Viji

Steve Roesler

That comment actually confirms some of what we've been talking about. Namely, that perhaps a primary role of the manager is no longer seen as managing and developing people, but focusing only on task.

Thanks Viji.

Kent Blumberg

Steve,

I think you are absolutely right. The job of the coach, just as in sports coaching, is to help the coachee perform the job better. The job of the coach is NOT to do the coachee's job. When I work with a manager, I seek to leave her a better, more accomplished manager because of my help. I try to teach her to fish, not just feed her a plate of food.

My reason for moving from a direct business leadership role into a coaching role was to have a positive impact on the leadership skills of a larger number of managers. If I get caught up in doing the manager's role again, I won't have the time to impact others.

Kent

Steve Roesler

Kent,

Indeed, the "teach someone to fish" analogy is a good one and was one of the major intentions of the post. The issue is one of defined role and the boundaries around that.

Thanks for checking back in...always appreciated and valued.

Ruth Ann Harnisch

In answer to Steve's question: Yes, someone does know how/when coaching started, and that person is Vikki Brock (vikki@callmecoach.com). Her doctoral dissertation traces the roots of what we now call "coaching." Her work shows how different disciplines and pioneers helped bring coaching into modern parlance and use.
Steve's description of the explosion of coaching mirrors my own experience - heard of it, paid little attention.
Then, as the board chair of an organization that used coaches, I thought I'd better find out about the field. I discovered there was no independent source of information about coaching. Plenty of business leagues and trade associations (The International Coach Federation being the largest of these in the USA), but no independent body of scholarship or acknowledged independent resources.
So I helped start The Foundation of Coaching. Vikki heads up the History division.

Wally Bock

Like Steve, I'm a consultant who coaches, or maybe it's a coach who consults. Beats me. Most of my consulting clients are information entrepreneurs. I do some coaching with them because the nature of what they do intermixes personal effectiveness skills and business strategy and execution. Most of my coaching clients are managers who come to me for help developing their skills at working with their direct reports.

I'm with most of the folks who've posted here in that I think coaches coach and players play. Every now and then there are player coaches (think Bill Russell) but they don't do it for long.

I think I may differ from several folks here on the "profession" of coaching. I think referring to business coaching as a profession is pretentious nonsense.

Steve Roesler

Ruth, thanks for offering the similar experience regarding coaching. I thought that it might just be me and I should have my memory checked out.

Vikki sounds like a good, solid resource. I intend to contact her and see if she can provide a synthesized :) version of her dissertation. I think a number of readers might find that useful.

Hope to see you again...

Steve Roesler

You know, Wally, the part of your comment that I really liked says clearly, "the nature of what they (managers/entrepreneurs) do intermixes personal effectiveness skills and business strategy and execution.

And that's the point: Using expertise and experience to help someone "get it done" along with increasing their effectiveness at "how they do it."

Thanks for taking part of the issue and making it crisp and concise.

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