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Jim Stroup

Hi Steve,

This is really a fascinating topic. Of special interest to me is your insight that women seem to be less vulnerable to this shortcoming (a generality that admits of many exceptions on both sides, but I think a valid generalization nonetheless). Women seem to have both a more fixed focus on the goal and a more alert perspective enabling them to anticipate and identify threats to achieving it. The result of this often leads to the observation that women appear to be more innovative thinkers than men.

Another moral here is that trumpeting one's reputation rarely leads to things that add to it. Thumping our spears against our chests can sometimes serve to steel us for battle, but that is often done by dulling our ability to perceive (and have a chance to prepare for or respond to) the dangers.

This is great stuff - thanks!

Ellen Weber

Great post - as always Steve! It inspires me to create a new post on the deep differences between the male and female brain and why it projects as it does from each on this topic. Cool insights here for a good launch on the topic. We now know a great deal more about mental differences -- and when we use what we know -- both genders zap forward:-) Thanks Steve, you model brains well!

Wally Bock

Another insightful post. Alas, at 63, I'm still learning the "realistic expectations" part of things. But I'll get better.

I wonder if the ever-popular "hockey-stick" graph, showing a brief decline in results, followed by a results curve soaring into low earth orbit, is related to your "Guy Curve."

Steve Roesler

Jim,

Well, first it probably would be good to acknowledge the exceptions on either side; yet I think the generalization would hold up if one watched a few hundred corporate presentations back-to-back.

You sure added to the conversation with "trumpeting one's reputation rarely leads to things that add to it."

I hope that shows up in a forthcoming book as a "caution to live by."

Steve Roesler

Ellen,

I'm glad that you weighed in and that it struck a note with you.

There are a number of relevant spin-offs from this that could use the "brain-based" touch. They could prove both interesting and helpful.

Perhaps we should connect?

Steve Roesler

Wally,

I believe you are referring to the Maurice "The Rocket" Richard curve. The Rocket has been a foundational touchpoint in much of my own career and management thinking. Good stuff, eh?

Beth Robinson

I'd never dream of actually TELLING somebody a "guy curve" pumped up projection. But I've definitely had them. I can get everything on this list done today... I'll make all these calls and sell all this stuff (my few months as a Mary Kay consultant in college were very illuminating)... This paper will be the best I've ever done... And so forth.

Managing expectations more accurately was definitely one of my learned skills, primarily through college and my first couple years of work. Then it became natural and the guy curve effect kind of went away, at least until things changed. When I added an online MBA and a baby to my life I REALLY had to put those skills to use again and struggled with it. The other struggle is not making those realistic expectations too low, but that's another topic.

Points 2,3,4,and 5 are equally familiar and that list is a great breakdown related to your main point. I hadn't heard it put that way before - in charge but not in control - and it sounds right.

My personal experience shouldn't be considered to invalidate your generalization. I tend to fall outside that type of gender expectation about half the time. My husband and I went to an exhibit on gender at the Franklin Institute and started cracking up at one exhibit because so many of the typical characteristics were flip-flopped between the two of us.

Steve Roesler

Beth,

Well, what you described is actually the distinction I was referring to. Even though you may think about the pumped-up projection, you wouldn't do it.

It's fascinating, though, how the single example of how one presents one's self automatically starts a discussion of other male/female generalizations and exceptions.

Sounds as if you and your husband enjoy great chemistry. Pun intended:-)

PRANEET V

great view and factual learning

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