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Mary Jo Asmus

Peter Drucker knew a lot about emotional intelligence (and it's application to business and leadership) long before Goleman made it popular! Thanks for the interesting post and the link to the classic article.

Meg Bear

Outstanding post. Lots of value packed in here. Thanks.

Dave Rothacker

I had the good fortune of learning more about Drucker after reading younger management gurus. I'm not sure there is anything that they speak about, that Drucker hadn't already covered. It makes me appreciate him that much more.

And I've yet to read the management and leadership author who can economize thought with such clarity in so few words.

How precious the moment, to spend an afternoon in conversation with Peter Drucker.

Dan Erwin

Like you, Drucker has always been a guiding light to me. I've kept all his books and articles. As a result of my business, I'm very aware of "managing oneself." However, and this is a big HOWEVER, as I began to become acquainted with Chris Argyris, he pointed out the utter uselessness of abstractions--including those of Drucker--in the development of persons and organizations. That insight has forced me to develop concrete situations with clients, concrete behaviors that have protocols and scripts built right into the process.

You may find my white paper, "how to ask questions and not be perceived as a dumb ass" indicative of that concretizing process:
http://danerwin.com/white_papers/dumb_ass.html

peter vajda

Related to Dan Erwin's point, Chris Argyris' book, Flawed Advice and the Management Trap, deals with the issue of needing valid and reliable models to see the underlying causes of effective and ineffective organizational and individual behavior. Argyris asesses examples of over books and articles published by the world’s most respected business gurus, and then uses his own theoretical model (theory of action) to evaluate the kind of causal analysis and recommendations for change that these publications give readers. His study includes folks like Stephen R. Covey, John Kotter, Jon Katzenback, Peter Drucker and other business-literature experts and concludes that much of the causal analysis and recommendations given by these folks is appealing, and even compelling, but most of it is not actionable. That is, even if a manager could fully implement the recommendations these experts and luminaries suggest, the resulting corrective actions would not lead to the kind of positive change and sustainable improvement that the authors claim it would.

Personally, I've always been intrigued by our culture's obsession with "experts" curious as to why, for example, if there are so many "experts", why then is there so much conflict between and among them. Kinda defeats the notion of "expert," IMHO. Maybe another reason we see less than optimal change in our workplaces and lives at work.

Wally Bock

I think the reason that Drucker has resonated with so many of us for so long is tied to two things. He was both a keen observer and a lucid writer.

On that score, I have to disagree with both Dan and Peter. In my experience Drucker's writing made use of many concrete examples. In fact, if you compare him with other writers about business before Tom Peters, he and Russell Ackoff stand out for that. As for actionable, I've not ever read a more actionable book than The Effective Executive.

One of the things about Drucker that I always found fascinating was that he didn't have "theory" or a "program." Instead he offered observations and recommendations. A couple of generations of managers have used them to improve their effectiveness. I think that's a better measure of impact or usability than whether or not they fit into some theoretical framework.

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